Pot? LSD? Psilocybin? X?

topic posted Sat, May 7, 2005 - 6:16 AM by  decimus
I'm really curious about the effect of these on medicated bipolars.
Especially psilocybin and pot.

My relationship with these substances has been verrrrrrrry sporadic; last time I did one/them was over 2 years ago, but I consider the experience deeply spiritual, magical.

In light of my medicated STABILITY, sometimes I hunger for that 'let-loose-ness', and euphoria. Cause it's gone bye-bye while on meds.
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    Sat, May 7, 2005 - 7:12 PM
    Hey. Whats up? I really dont know what LSD would do while on meds. I haven't done acid in a long time. I do smoke pot a couple of times a week though. My experience is is that I can't smoke commercial. I have to smoke kb otherwise I get anxiety attacks. Do you know anything about painkillers and bipolar meds? I do like painkillers sometimes, but I havent taken any since I started these meds about a month ago. Anyways if you have in info let me know and have a good weekend.
    Peace

    Natalie
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    Mon, May 9, 2005 - 12:13 AM
    So yeah, I depends on what meds you are on.

    If you are on Lithium:

    acid lasts a really long time, but you don't get so many visuals just the body high and strange thinking that surrounds it.

    X is a toss up sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Usually I would go off for a day or two and then immediately back on. It's also dangerous to take this on some anti-depressants basically a pain in the ass.

    Mushrooms were the same, but I didn't a super take a high dose so the dosing curve may be different.

    Pot is always fine.

    Cocaine, heroin, oxy and other opiates worked out, but totally fuck with your sleeping habits so if you are already having trouble sleeping probably best to skip these

    If you are on Depakote:
    Acid didn't really work.

    Never tried mushrooms on it.

    Pot was the same.

    Again I would go off my meds for a couple of days to take X but the half life of depakote I think is longer than lithium and was kind of a waste. Also watch what anti-depressants you might be taking.

    cocaine and opiates worked.

    If you are on Trileptal (like Tegretol):

    Pot is the same.

    Cocaine and opiates are more potent.

    4-ho-dipt is marvelous, it's kinda in the same realm as MDMA so there is a chance X might work not really many visuals tho so I suspect there may not be any on acid either.

    Note: All of these things really fuck up any stable thing you have going for a couple of days or more. I also don't reccomend doing any psychadelics alone it's important to have folks around in the come down period.

    And remember Drugs are bad m-kay ...
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      Mon, May 9, 2005 - 5:18 AM
      Thank you both! I'm on Lamictal/Lexapro/WellbutrinXR, and it's damn hard finding anyone who has first-hand experience or access to good data on the matter.
      There's SO friggin much flat out ignorance about the psychedelics.
      And in the case of bipolar/depression; a ton of outright paranoia, and I guess rightly do. Who wants to precipitate a tumble into hell again?

      Your experiences are invaluable.

      And yes, Drugs are Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
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        Mon, May 9, 2005 - 9:16 PM
        I guess it depends. I had an ex boyfriend who abuses psychedelics who says he thinks they are good in that they bust out the cobwebs or something like that. In my opintion though that is his excuse for chronic abuse. I cannot do those drugs - any man made - and certainly no X for me, as they cause a sort of rebound depression that is intolerable. I swore off totally a while back, one of the reasons I broke up wth my ex is that I felt too tempted to do his drugs wtih him.

        As far as pot goes. I like to smoke (vaporize) it here and there as I found that the times I went a long time without it, I was at my worst and heading into psychosis. I also use it for chronic pain and have to be careful what kind it is as the wrong kind will kick up pain levels and undo paranoia.

        I guess I don't consider pot a drug nor mushrooms as they are of the earth.

        I know there are a lot of stuides that say weed can cause psychosis in the long run if a person has an underlying mental problem, but I'd have to disagree depending on how it is used. In my case, I seem to get more wierd without it.
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          Tue, May 10, 2005 - 6:30 AM
          "I guess I don't consider pot a drug nor mushrooms as they are of the earth. "

          Do you consider aspirin a drug?


          I would like to address this statement. Being of the earth does not make something better or worse. Arsenic is of the earth as well.
          There are plenty of drugs, harmful or not, and toxins that are of the earth.

          Anyway, I'm not meaning this to be an attack or anything like that. Its just a pet peeve of mine. Of the earth does not mean "safe."
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            Tue, May 10, 2005 - 7:18 AM
            Well when you end up a lot of chronic pain like I am, I feel it is better to smoke something on really bad days than to take an extra helping of methadone. Everyone is different and I have a pet peeve with people who think marijuana is evil over all this other pharmaceuticals. I take enough man made drugs that usually make me very sick, constipated, and tired. I have never had that from marijuana and there is such a thing as medical marijuana for a good reason for some.

            Anything in excess is not good. Did I say I used it in excess? I use man made stuff in excess with bad consequences and prescribed as that but now it seems i have to to avoid having a total relapse with mental health.
            No one has really given marijuana a fair chance enough to study the wonderful medicinal properties, much like other herbs out there that are very helpful to some. They study those enough because they dont' also make people feel good.

            No one has ever died or become sick from an "overdose" of marijuana. Mushrooms maybe but a person would have to be stupid.
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              Tue, May 10, 2005 - 8:43 PM
              Take a breath.

              You completly missed my point. I have nothing against marijuana. I dont think its evil. I don't think its use is bad in moderation (all things in moderation, including moderation)

              I simply disagree with the idea that because its natural its not a drug or not bad for you, not meaning marijuana specifically.
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                Wed, May 11, 2005 - 1:52 PM
                I understand. I think my point is that in my experience I have had horrible dealings with man made illicit drugs and usually good experiences with pot and mushrooms though I agree an overdose of shrooms can be toxic though no one has ever od'd on marijuana, but who knows.

                but I dont' think i would even think to compare arsenic to pot or shrooms myself. but I get your point. was just talking from my experience. I do not trust things made in laboratroies by god knows who. Case in point was my ex who gave me something called 2CT7 that is unscheduled and probably being tested by the government. He said he had tried it before and had not. I tripped for over 16 hours. I don't know why I bothered to try this but I was in a very manic state that year and did a lot of stupid things.
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      Sun, May 22, 2005 - 9:31 PM
      Just another note that 2ce and 4-ho-dipt seem to work out fine with both trileptal and lithium. Much more mellow no body load. 2ce did seem to have a bit of a depression afterward, but nothing a little 5HTP wouldn't fix. Would not reccomend either of these drugs for people with a history of psychotic episodes durring a manic phase, or those who cannot deal with intense visual effects.
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      Wed, May 25, 2005 - 8:08 PM
      whoah - going off Depakote "for a couple days" is not a good idea. even if you didn't start off seizure-prone, when you go off Depa it can trigger seizures. this is why they have you slow down the Depakote intake for 10 days in order to get off of it. also, it takes an additional 48 hours to leave your system.

      so anyway -- chucking your Depakote and eating acid sounds kinda dangerous to me.

      but in my experience, Depakote is just fine with mushrooms, ecstasy, absinthe, and a few others. i've always had kinda weird reactions to drugs (the tiniest bite of a shroom and i fall into a tripper-coma for eight hours; on E i often can't walk) so maybe i'm not the best case to observe.

      since going on Depa and stabilizing, i intentionally slowed down/stopped most drug stuff, just because it throws the chemicals out of whack, and there's that whole problem with E and serotonin. but when i occasionally indulge, it's not at all different from back when i wasn't on meds.

      (now i'm on new meds, and if i try anything interesting with them,i'll report back!)
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        Sat, May 3, 2008 - 1:36 AM
        >> when you go off Depa it can trigger seizures <<

        Do you have personal or anecdotal evidence of this? I have never heard this before. I asked my Doc and he said to go off it cold-turkey, no prob. I was on a low dose (750mg/day). Not saying I doubt you, just never heard it before (nor recall seeing it in the Depakote drug info sheet (the doctor's one, not the worthless patient one))


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    Mon, May 9, 2005 - 9:25 PM
    Not really an answer to your question, but right now I'm on 30 mg of Cymbalta and I smoke pot at night when I get home from work (though I try not to do it every day) and I feel most stable on this combo. Though, I know someday, I am going to have to say goodbye to the green stuff and just be a good psychpatient taking my legal meds, like a stepford wife....I guess...
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    Wed, May 11, 2005 - 12:42 PM
    Trading happy for euphoria...I just dunno. I miss those invincible moderate highs---everything's wonderful and gonna work out. I can do it all. It's a magical, magical world!

    The personal and other costs while on hypomania/mania can be outrageous, too.

    Illicit drugs are such an unknown quantity, even when you know you don't know. I never home tested (chemistry wise) anything I ever bought.

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      Wed, May 11, 2005 - 2:54 PM
      You could always send them in to be tested. Or learn a bit of chemistry. I don't deal with unknown substances. Specially since so many of the psych meds out there don't mix well with the usual 'cuts' in most substances.
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        Wed, May 11, 2005 - 3:33 PM
        Seems like a lot of energy to go through all that just to get high.

        Then, like you said, it is highly likely that meds and cuts don't mix well.
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          Wed, May 11, 2005 - 5:01 PM
          For some people psychedelics or other substances are not about getting 'high', but resloving deep emotional tramatic issues/events or part of some kind of spiritual meditation/quest.

          I mean heck mania is about the best 'high' I've ever had and it's free. Realistically over time habituated drug use has the same kind of problems mania presents anyway just that it happens over a long period of time.
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        Wed, May 11, 2005 - 4:52 PM
        i think this is why me and acid and extacy never mixed well at all and I didn't feel I could handle it like most people I knew who were doing it every other weekend or more sometimes. A few times was a few too many for me.
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          Wed, May 11, 2005 - 5:03 PM
          Yeah even with the pure stuff I think once or twice a year is all that is really healthy for anyone. And there is a HIGH risk of OD when you are on an SSRI. But what people choose to do with their own seratonin receptors is their business.
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          Wed, May 11, 2005 - 5:05 PM
          I see what you're saying. I was pretty good at those, but I don't think it helped my bipolar illness at all. I'm pretty straight edge and have been for many years, so that's my bias. I'd rather control my symptoms with the prescription stuff. The new thing for me has been not to freak out just 'cause I'm having a lot of fun! Is that your artwork, or similiar to your's in yr. profile? Very cool...
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            Wed, May 11, 2005 - 5:47 PM
            I agree with you totally. Drugs are bad for staying at an even keel if bi-polar is your problem. But I've seen positive outcomes from those with PTSD and some OCD (when it's emotionally not chemically based).

            I too have experienced anxiety around not knowing when I'm having fun and when I'm being manic. Over time I have begun to realize my 'red flags' so to speak. But it's still weird for me to hang out with folks sometimes.
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              Wed, May 11, 2005 - 7:08 PM
              I agree. There are many ways of getting/being "high," and sometimes for me it is a better "place" than where I "am".

              Sometimes, I get my red flag cues from people around me. Once, a supervisor asked if I was drinking and another person said she wanted to be whatever I was on.

              Telling other people what to do w/their brain biochemistry is not my aim. I'm fine with people writing about their experiences and what does and doesn't work for them, or asking other people in the group about same.

              I appreciate being a member of this tribe.
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          Wed, May 11, 2005 - 8:33 PM
          Psychedelics are contraindicated for psychotics. Acid or LSD are a good way to decompesate a schitzophrenic or bipolar in a fragile manic state to the hospital. If some one with bipolar has had a history of psychotic episodes (usually at one end of their swing or the other) then taking a psychedelic may set off a psychotic episode.

          The is no need for a bad "cut". One just expects that drugs like LSD or ecstacy will often give person with bipolar a very bad trip.

          A tranquilzing mild hallucinogenic like cannabis will be better tolerated and the traquilization may be therapuetic during a manic period, though a good psychiatrist should be able to select something even better from the commercial pharmacopia. (As in traquilizing but not hallucinogenic or prone to inducing paranoia but non-adictive like cannabis.)
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            Thu, May 12, 2005 - 10:13 AM
            Cannabis is not phsically addictive. Although I do believe lorazapam, clonipin, and the like are.

            I agree that someone in a fragile manic state or a schitzophrenic SHOULDNT be taking acid/LSD but that really doesn't mean they will make the right choice if considering it. I'm just trying to put some info out there about my own personal experiences with the drug/med combo.

            Certainly if I had known that 1 hit of acid could linger a week when taking lithium I may have thought twice about taking it.

            As for 'bad trips' those are very emotionally and setting based. I mean if you don't know enough about what you are taking to be responsible about it, it's really your own fault that you didn't have a good time.
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              Thu, May 12, 2005 - 5:46 PM
              I only had a couple "bad trips" in my lifetime but they always helped me in some way on another level altogether. For me it was what the stuff did to me on the way down and out that didn't go over so well. Anyone can freak out on a trip for any reason.

              The story I heard that always killed me - well it was what I read about DMT in a psychological experiment:

              "Ken experienced anal rape by alien alligators, and dropped out after his high dose."

              I read this here:
              www.rickstrassman.com/dmt/cha...ies.html

              I mean what did they tell this guy? I could picture him going, "I think I'm going to go home now." and the Psychologists saying to him someting like, "Well, wait. Maybe you should sit down and have some juice?"

              Not sure if this spoke to anything but ....
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                Fri, May 13, 2005 - 11:51 AM
                You'd think the 'study' would have given him some direction on coping skills. I mean if I was bing ass raped by some alien alligators in a DMT hallucination I would have simply thought about something else. PLUS anyone who takes beyond the threshold dose (he was in the 'high' dose experiment) on thier first go around IS in my oppinion being irresponsible.

                But that type of thing does happen all the time. I mean the first time I tripped it was 3 hits of Liquid LSD and I was a bug stuck to an alien love wall. Fortunately it was completely normal to have this type of experience in the setting I had chosen and I had a marvelous time.

                It's true that the 'come down' from anything can be hard even for a person who is not bi-polar. What it really comes down to is being informed and taking the right vitamin supplements to speed your recovery. For some people it really is easier to just stay away from them altogether.

                Personally I know that there are people out there, bi-polar people, who are in there teens and 20's where everything your regular 'friends' are doing is somthing on the no no list.

                I can't have a drink at the club, I can't do drugs, I can't stay up late, fuck I can't even have a fucking soda because of the caffiene. People are so 'worried about me' I might as well be a ten year old. And if I get mad about this well then 'I need to calm down' because maybe I haven't been taking my meds or I'm having a hypomanic episode or that's my perception and have I talked to my doctor about these psychotic symptoms.

                I guess what I mean is. Sometimes you can't take it and some of us do act out and do make choices that aren't the best for us. Or give in to the friends that goad us for being a 'drag'. I suppose I'd rather they know not to take 2CI if you are on lithium cuz you could have a seizure than just trying to scare them with random stories about alien alligator ass rape. I'd rather they have the facts about what is safer to take than just rolling the dice like I have so many times on whatever combo their brain says sounds good.

                <end rant>

                Sorry it's just something I feel strongly about.
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              Wed, May 25, 2005 - 8:44 PM
              I totally agree with that....I could smoke pot every day for months, and then when I DO stop smoking, the withdrawals are more "emotional" than physical. I might be grumpy alittle bit.

              But, when I went off Effexor...man, the physical withdrawals were absolutely BRUTAL!

              I may have been "physically" addicted to effexor but I'm not "physically" addicted to pot.

              However, I AM addicted to pot (it's just not physical).
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      Sat, May 14, 2005 - 12:27 PM
      I am in dual recovery, not even a beer or a joint. Just for me. Just for today.
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        Sat, May 14, 2005 - 2:12 PM
        Hey that is great Donald!
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          Mon, May 16, 2005 - 10:41 AM
          Imagine watching the news today or commuting to work on LSD!!!! "Reality" is bizarre enough. I once was given LSD by a co worker in the early 70s at work, I got caught in rush hour on NYC Subway, I got home 3 hours later, took some thorazine and that was my last experiment!!!
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            Sat, May 3, 2008 - 1:42 AM
            >> Imagine watching the news today or commuting to work on LSD!!!! "Reality" is bizarre enough. I once was given LSD by a co worker in the early 70s at work, I got caught in rush hour on NYC Subway, I got home 3 hours later, took some thorazine and that was my last experiment!!! <<

            Man O' man Donald! hardcore! No wonder you never wanted to touch the stuff again. With LSD or any powerful psychedelic, always gotta remember the three keys:

            1) Dosage
            2) (mind)Set
            3) Setting

            Sounds like just your *setting* was a bad bad trip waiting to happen...
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    Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:19 PM
    hi guys it's glad to be back online-just wanted to add my sense in here. i made the mistake of using mushrooms while on prozac about 15 yrs. ago. talk about flooding the seratonin gates of hell. no thank you. pot, xtc, no can do all these screw w/ the seratonin receptors and just make me more manicky panicky, translates paranoid. i miss pot. lower grades but the kind and hybrids put me into orbit and besides violating probation, read urine screen, make me weird. these days, the cocktails i am on are deeply etched in my head and i follow them faithfully or else i will go out and get in trouble. gone are the days a few zbars and a bottle of red wine would do the trick. and lone gone are the purple microdot haze watching the bugs melt into the tv screen. i should've known then i was different.
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      Sun, May 22, 2005 - 9:43 PM
      I only used pot & did a few lines now & then-I also drank lots of tequela-it all messed with my meds which gave me a damn good reason to stop the meds! I had the worst experience ever in the 80's with pamelor-caused my to hallucinate-man I was really trippin. Also had bad experience with Paxil-that shit sucks! I ended up in ER VERY maniky/paniky cause the Paxil was 'over-riding' the tegretol. Now I'm stable on prozac & topamax but damn I miss the mania :)
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      Mon, January 9, 2006 - 10:40 AM
      I supplement my meds with pot....why? SSRI's kill my libido. Pot brings it back temporarily. I tried to quit all the way, but found this is the one solution to the SSRI libido issue. I still SHOULD be smoking less...like, only when I'm planning on having sex!
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        Mon, March 20, 2006 - 12:02 AM
        SSRI's kill my libido. Pot brings it back temporarily.
        +++++

        Has anyone else found this? I'm feeling pretty sexually zapped right now from SSRI.
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          Mon, April 3, 2006 - 3:11 AM
          I totally agree with you. Fair amounts of pot will turn me into a ravenous sex kitten. I am worried about developing a habit. I know that they say marijuana is not addicting, but I think it is. I feel like a zombie so much of the time from my meds, that it is wonderful to have that creative burst from smoking up, that I crave that enlightenment. I just don't like the anxiety and paranoia that accompany it.
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    Fri, December 30, 2005 - 3:33 PM
    my friend is concidering taking Psilocybes and she asked me if she should. Because she has had severe depression a few times in the past, I have some concerns, but don't know enough about contraindications and combinations to give a good answer to her. I've helped people deal with a lot of bad trips but those were mainly people without a history of mental problems.

    She is currently very happy, though with some pulses of anxiety and is taking the antidepressant wellbutrin xl and the antiseizure medication lamictal.

    any advise for where to go to help her research? is my best advice to her to say maybe you shouldn't trip? or would a careful, mellow trip in a good setting help her find the inspiration she needs?

    please help!
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      Wed, January 4, 2006 - 3:20 PM
      I have taken A low-medium dose of P. Cubensis before (my first trip)at a psytrance party, and had no ill effects or bad experience from it. It allowed me some very valuable insights into my life and my bipolar and was a very cleansing, healing, valuable experience. But she needs to be careful. As to taking the Lamictal, it won't make much difference as to the trip for better or worse, so she might as well take her meds. Also, make sure she knows the source of the shrooms.
      I'd say 3 or 4 grams is a safe bet, you can always start small then take more depending on your comfort level. Most really important thing I could tell you is that you should make sure you are in a comfortable setting,happy and safe, because you will learn stuff you may or may not want to know about yourself-in great detail.
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      Fri, January 6, 2006 - 10:32 AM
      I'd make sure she has at least 2 days of recovery chill time if she's worried. Take them on a friday. Neither med is a maoi inhibitor so chemically speaking she's cool and won't have any problems with the 'if you are on anti-depressants' warning most harm reduction sites give. So yeah take meds on regular schedule skip dose when inbibing and restart meds (at dose you skipped) post trip.

      Going off her meds for longer than that would be detrimental as lamictal at least has a fairly short halflife.
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    Fri, December 30, 2005 - 7:34 PM
    I find that if I pace myself, keep stable, takes my meds (the ususal BS that we have to do) then when I want to partake in party favors, I can. If I'm going to smoke weed, no big deal--ever. If I want to rave and do e, I make sure to take my morning meds, skip the night ones, take the herbs the next day and when the rollin has subsided, take my next med dosage. There are occasions like Halloween and NYE weekend when I do things like spend 2 or 3 days on pot, e, shrooms, alcohol and whatever else comes along. It takes me a couple of weeks to get my energy back from those times, but it's sooo worth the fun of it. Of course, I'm 38 and it could just be my age... heh. Have fun!
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    Mon, March 20, 2006 - 2:54 PM
    I would say that none of those drugs are "good" to do while youre on Anti's. To me X would seem like it would make you come to a fast, sudden LOW. Forget Blue Monday, it will be a bad month. Because of the intense release of Seratonin in your brain. Your Seratonin levels would be so low, it might be hard to make a comeback. Pot is fine, for me atleast. LSD in itself can cause paranoia, but I think it would be the same effect as X. Any hallucinagenics are bad, PERIOD. I have done so much of so many of them in my life, that I thank my Lucky Stars Im still somewhat "normal." I would use extreme caution while ingesting these drugs under the influence of anti's & mood stabilizers.